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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [I] Emergency kit
[I] Emergency kit [message #251811] Di, 11 April 2006 13:31
Orjan Westin  
Following on from the discusssions about condom carrying and knives at
the Con, I thought I'd take a look in the rucksack I'm taking to work
daily to see what I do carry around.

Since I very rarely take anything out of the pocket carrying useful
stuff, I found a basic emercency kit, with the following items:

* Skin/lip balm (Sw. Army issue), can also be used for frying
* Penknife (Victorinox), with 2" blade, cork screw, bottle/can opener,
tweezers, small screw driver for glasses, and toothpick.
* Electric torch (Maglite, 2AAA)
* Two disposable lighters
* A box of matches
* Paracetamol and ibuprofen tablets
* Pens, pencils and notepads
* 256MB USB drive
* Condoms
* Small address book
* Throat tablets (Fisherman's Friend)

So there you have it. Anything missing?

Orjan
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251813 ] Di, 11 April 2006 14:01
Rgemini  
Orjan Westin wrote:
> Following on from the discusssions about condom carrying and knives at
> the Con, I thought I'd take a look in the rucksack I'm taking to work
> daily to see what I do carry around.
>
> Since I very rarely take anything out of the pocket carrying useful
> stuff, I found a basic emercency kit, with the following items:
>
> * Skin/lip balm (Sw. Army issue), can also be used for frying
> * Penknife (Victorinox), with 2" blade, cork screw, bottle/can opener,
> tweezers, small screw driver for glasses, and toothpick.
> * Electric torch (Maglite, 2AAA)
> * Two disposable lighters
> * A box of matches
> * Paracetamol and ibuprofen tablets
> * Pens, pencils and notepads
> * 256MB USB drive
> * Condoms
> * Small address book
> * Throat tablets (Fisherman's Friend)
>
> So there you have it. Anything missing?
>
> Orjan
>
>
Plasters.
Scissors.
Anusol.
Anthisan.
Calamine cream.
PDA.
Compass/magnifying glass.
Cuddly toy.

HTH
Rgemini
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251819 ] Di, 11 April 2006 14:26
Orjan Westin  
Rgemini wrote:
> Orjan Westin wrote:
>>
>> So there you have it. Anything missing?
>>
> Plasters.

Yeah, that's probably a good idea. I'll try to remember to put some in
the tin can I've got the pain releif pills in. Not that I use them
myself, mind, unless it's to put on my heels when wearing new shoes.
Cuts are left alone unless they're too large for a plaster anyway.

> Scissors.

Why? I've got a knife.

> Anusol.

Never had any need for that.

> Anthisan.

While antihistamines could be useful for my hay fever, I only react to
rapeseed and birch pollen, and only really inconveniencing to the
latter. Which means I'm fine in England, but I'll have to remember to
bring some when I go to visit Elin in a few weeks.

But AIUI, the above is a cream, mostly used for stings, and neither
nettles nor wasps bother me much.

> Calamine cream.

Nah, I'll wear clothes instead. That way, I won't get sunburned.

> PDA.

But I have - pens, pencils, notepads and address book.

> Compass/magnifying glass.

Compass... Yeah, possibly, though I usually know pretty well which
direction North is.

> Cuddly toy.

Nah, I'm eminently cuddly myself, so that would be redundant.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251822 ] Di, 11 April 2006 14:34
Gid Holyoake  
In article <4a1lkcFqu232U1 [at] individual.net>, Orjan Westin generously
decided to share with us..

Snippetry..

> While antihistamines could be useful for my hay fever, I only react to
> rapeseed and birch pollen, and only really inconveniencing to the
> latter. Which means I'm fine in England, but I'll have to remember to
> bring some when I go to visit Elin in a few weeks

I'd recommend it if you ever come to visit us too.. lots of birch
here..

Gid
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251823 ] Di, 11 April 2006 14:48
Kar98  
On 2006-04-11 06:31:26 -0500, "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> said:

> Since I very rarely take anything out of the pocket carrying useful
> stuff, I found a basic emercency kit, with the following items:
>
> * Skin/lip balm (Sw. Army issue), can also be used for frying
> * Penknife (Victorinox), with 2" blade, cork screw, bottle/can opener,
> tweezers, small screw driver for glasses, and toothpick.
> * Electric torch (Maglite, 2AAA)
> * Two disposable lighters
> * A box of matches
> * Paracetamol and ibuprofen tablets
> * Pens, pencils and notepads
> * 256MB USB drive
> * Condoms
> * Small address book
> * Throat tablets (Fisherman's Friend)
>
> So there you have it. Anything missing?

plastic bottle of water (20 oz to half a liter)
ditch the Victorinox for a Leatherman (sturdier, with tools that can
actually be put to use)
pre-paid cellphone and car charger for it (you never know in which
country you'll wake up, but car sockets are the same all over the world)
a sealed pack of clean underwear, 3 for $5 (we're talking about an
emergency kit here, right?)
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251826 ] Di, 11 April 2006 15:07
Gift  
"Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote in message
news:4a1id8Fqolk6U1 [at] individual.net...

> So there you have it. Anything missing?
>
> Orjan

Mine (which stays in the car) contains a full first aid kit, but that's just
because "if you carry it, you won't need it". Luckily, I know how to use it
too.

And condoms should be carried in your wallet, how else are you going to get
that nice ring formation in the leather?
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251830 ] Di, 11 April 2006 15:19
Orjan Westin  
René wrote:
> On 2006-04-11 06:31:26 -0500, "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com>
> said:
<snip useful stuff in my rucksack>
>> So there you have it. Anything missing?
>
> plastic bottle of water (20 oz to half a liter)

I'm carrying this stuff around, so I don't need that weight.

> ditch the Victorinox for a Leatherman (sturdier, with tools that can
> actually be put to use)

Has anybody noticed how Leatherman owners resemble Mac/Linux zealots?

A Leatherman is big and heavy, and not something I'd elect to lug
around. Now, if I found myself trapped in a storage shed needing to
build a fully functioning armoured car from old tin cans and broken
childrens toys, I don't doubt I'd wish I had a Leatherman instead of a
simple little knife, but to cross a thread I consider the risk too small
to be worth preparing for.

It's not that uncommon that I find myself needing a knife, or bottle
opener, or cork screw or tweezers, and the Victorinox fulfills all those
needs with good quality at minimum weight.

Does a Leatherman have tweezers and cork screw? No, I didn't think so.
A lot of them don't even have knife blades that can be used for
wittling, coming instead with those impressivelooking serrated blades
that are great for cutting heavy tarpaulins and little else.

IMNSHO, a Leatherman is the geek equivalent of a SUV. Big, powerful,
expensive and extremely rarely used to it's nominal purpose.

Just give me the slightest excuse and I'll give a full-blown rant on
Leathermans, and people with belts hung full of "tools", like
Leatherman, torch (why not have two - one with a LED and one with
halogen bulb), mobile phone, PDA, folding knife, pager, digital camera,
Zippo holster...

Bah.

> pre-paid cellphone and car charger for it (you never know in which
> country you'll wake up, but car sockets are the same all over the
> world)

You know there are a fair few cars without (working) sockets, right? In
any case, you might as well lug around a can of petrol, too, in case you
can only find an old abandoned vehicle, and you need to start it to get
some power to the socket. And spare plugs, and an extra car battery, of
course.

And if you wake up in a country without compatible cellphone
infrastructure, what do you do then? Since you're american, you
probably have a CDMA phone, which won't do you much good in GSM-centric
Europe.

> a sealed pack of clean underwear, 3 for $5 (we're talking
> about an emergency kit here, right?)

Um... This would be the emergency in which you've been run over and
killed, so you need to put on clean underwear to avoid dying of shame?

No, we're not really talking about an emergency kit in that sense, at
least I didn't intend to. More along the lines of useful things to have
with you at most times.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251832 ] Di, 11 April 2006 15:21
Arthur Hagen  
Orjan Westin <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:
> Following on from the discusssions about condom carrying and knives at
> the Con, I thought I'd take a look in the rucksack I'm taking to work
> daily to see what I do carry around.
>
> Since I very rarely take anything out of the pocket carrying useful
> stuff, I found a basic emercency kit, with the following items:
>
> * Skin/lip balm (Sw. Army issue), can also be used for frying
> * Penknife (Victorinox), with 2" blade, cork screw, bottle/can opener,
> tweezers, small screw driver for glasses, and toothpick.
> * Electric torch (Maglite, 2AAA)
> * Two disposable lighters
> * A box of matches
> * Paracetamol and ibuprofen tablets
> * Pens, pencils and notepads
> * 256MB USB drive
> * Condoms
> * Small address book
> * Throat tablets (Fisherman's Friend)
>
> So there you have it. Anything missing?

Emergency ATF products?
Vaseline?
Prepaid SIM card?

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251833 ] Di, 11 April 2006 15:24
Rgemini  
Orjan Westin wrote:
>
>> Anusol.
>
> Never had any need for that.

Yet.

>
>> Anthisan.
>
> But AIUI, the above is a cream, mostly used for stings, and neither
> nettles nor wasps bother me much.

Helps with mozzie bites too.


>> PDA.
>
> But I have - pens, pencils, notepads and address book.

But that's not the geek way!

Rgemini
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251834 ] Di, 11 April 2006 15:31
Orjan Westin  
Rgemini wrote:
> Orjan Westin wrote:

>>> Anthisan.
>>
>> But AIUI, the above is a cream, mostly used for stings, and neither
>> nettles nor wasps bother me much.
>
> Helps with mozzie bites too.

Again, not anything that bothers me much.

>>> PDA.
>>
>> But I have - pens, pencils, notepads and address book.
>
> But that's not the geek way!

I am not a geek.

Neither am I a snob.

It's worth noting that those two terms are very often interchangeable.
They tend to be hugely knowledgeable on their area of geekery/snobbery,
have very strong views on the "right" brands, sniff superiorly at people
who don't appreciate or know about the "right" things or ways of doing
things, and abhor all things mainstream.

I could do a huge rant on that too.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251835 ] Di, 11 April 2006 15:35
Orjan Westin  
Arthur Hagen wrote:
> Orjan Westin <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:
>>
>> So there you have it. Anything missing?
>
> Emergency ATF products?

ATF? Accident, trauma, fire or something?

> Vaseline?

The skin-lip balm I listed can replace vaseline in most cinrumstances.

> Prepaid SIM card?

Great idea. Then I just have to mug someone who looks like he's got an
unlocked phone.

Or I could use my own phone, which I carry in my pockets along with my
wallet, cigarettes and keys.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251836 ] Di, 11 April 2006 15:40
Orjan Westin  
Gift wrote:
> "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote in message
> news:4a1id8Fqolk6U1 [at] individual.net...
>
>> So there you have it. Anything missing?
>
> Mine (which stays in the car) contains a full first aid kit, but
> that's just because "if you carry it, you won't need it". Luckily, I
> know how to use it too.

Yeah, I've got a full first-aid kit (which I, too, know how to use) in
the car, too, plus matches and tealights and blankets and a water
carrier.

> And condoms should be carried in your wallet, how else are you going
> to get that nice ring formation in the leather?

I'd rather not, especially since the kind of wallet I prefer has so far
proved to be unavailable in England. I bought a couple of spares last
time I was in Sweden. Besides, given that it would have to be pressed
together quite hard to make that mark, it's not entirely unlikely the
condom will have been damaged.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251837 ] Di, 11 April 2006 15:46
Stacie Hanes  
Orjan Westin wrote:

> Has anybody noticed how Leatherman owners resemble Mac/Linux
> zealots?
> A Leatherman is big and heavy, and not something I'd elect to lug
> around.

There are small versions.

--
Stacie, fourth swordswoman of the afpocalypse.
AFPMinister of Flexible Weapons & Bondage-happy predator
AFPMistress to peachy ashie passion & AFPDeliciousSnack to 8'FED
"If you can't be a good example, you'll just have to be a horrible
warning." Catherine Aird, _His Burial Too_
http://esmeraldus.blogspot.com/
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251838 ] Di, 11 April 2006 15:43
Arthur Hagen  
René <Kar98 [at] The-Coalition.us> wrote:
>
> ditch the Victorinox for a Leatherman (sturdier, with tools that can
> actually be put to use)

Bull. Leatherman had to drop their advertising about it being all US made,
because it turned out it wasn't true. And Victorinox' warranty is /way/
better -- Leatherman won't cover rust damage, for example.

I have both a Victorinox Swiss Tool and a Leatherman Wave (it was a gift
from a misguided individual), and the former is *by far* the better tool.
The screwdriver on the Leatherman didn't strip the screw, it stripped
*itself*, and the wire cutter now has a groove from trying to cut wires --
that's "actually be put to use" for you. No such problems with the Swiss
Tool, which appears to use a much harder steel, which probably will break
before it deforms.

The only reason I see to choose a Leatherman over a Victorinox is if you
have some sentimental attachment to Leatherman as a brand, or want to save
money. It's hyped as a geek tool, but in this case, don't believe the hype.

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251839 ] Di, 11 April 2006 16:12
Gift  
"Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote in message
news:4a1puuFq3ocjU2 [at] individual.net...
> Gift wrote:
>> "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote in message
>> news:4a1id8Fqolk6U1 [at] individual.net...
>>
> time I was in Sweden. Besides, given that it would have to be pressed
> together quite hard to make that mark, it's not entirely unlikely the
> condom will have been damaged.
>

Just keep it in there for a couple of years (ok, same result) :-)
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251840 ] Di, 11 April 2006 16:07
Rgemini  
Orjan Westin wrote:

> I am not a geek.
>
> Neither am I a snob.
>
> It's worth noting that those two terms are very often interchangeable.
> They tend to be hugely knowledgeable on their area of geekery/snobbery,
> have very strong views on the "right" brands, sniff superiorly at people
> who don't appreciate or know about the "right" things or ways of doing
> things, and abhor all things mainstream.
>
> I could do a huge rant on that too.
>

There are such people, that's true. To me, 'snob' carries different
overtones to 'geek' though.[1]

I did have my tongue in my cheek when suggesting the PDA for your
emergency kit, although mine goes everywhere with me (except the bath).
Nice slim little Palm Tungsten E with books, games, diary, address book,
family history genealogy program, drawing pad, spreadsheet, photo
albums, even music.

Rgemini

[1] To my dad and grandfathers, 'snob' meant 'shoe repairer' or
'cobbler'. Cobblers, btw, repaired shoes or made new shoes from old
ones. Cordwainers made shoes from new leather.
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251841 ] Di, 11 April 2006 16:09
nannyogg  
Orjan Westin wrote:

> * Skin/lip balm (Sw. Army issue), can also be used for frying
> * Penknife (Victorinox), with 2" blade, cork screw, bottle/can opener,
> tweezers, small screw driver for glasses, and toothpick.
> * Electric torch (Maglite, 2AAA)
> * Two disposable lighters
> * A box of matches
> * Paracetamol and ibuprofen tablets
> * Pens, pencils and notepads
> * 256MB USB drive
> * Condoms
> * Small address book
> * Throat tablets (Fisherman's Friend)
>
> So there you have it. Anything missing?

I would personally find decent-quality tissues to be indispensable as
part of an emergency kit, but that's because I have a mild allergic
condition similar to hay fever which means I have a permanently slightly
runny nose. Though, having said that, I do find they occasionally come
in useful for other things - mopping up spills, or instead of toilet
paper. Up to you whether you think you'd find them useful or not,
obviously.


All the best,

Sarah
--
http://www.goodenoughmummy.typepad.com

But how do we _know_ that nobody ever said on their deathbed that they
wished they’d spent more time at the office?
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251842 ] Di, 11 April 2006 16:02
Arthur Hagen  
Orjan Westin <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:
> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>> Orjan Westin <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> So there you have it. Anything missing?
>>
>> Emergency ATF products?
>
> ATF? Accident, trauma, fire or something?

Alcohol, tobacco and firearms. At the very least, an emergency tin of Ettan
can come in handy.

>> Vaseline?
>
> The skin-lip balm I listed can replace vaseline in most cinrumstances.

As a lubricant too?

>> Prepaid SIM card?
>
> Great idea. Then I just have to mug someone who looks like he's got
> an unlocked phone.
>
> Or I could use my own phone, which I carry in my pockets along with my
> wallet, cigarettes and keys.

The problem is that you may end up a place where your carrier doesn't have a
roaming agreement (like the US). Prepaid cards tend to work even there.

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251843 ] Di, 11 April 2006 16:13
Diane L  
Orjan Westin wrote:
> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>> Orjan Westin <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> So there you have it. Anything missing?
>>
>> Emergency ATF products?
>
> ATF? Accident, trauma, fire or something?

Alcohol, tobacco and firearms?

Diane L.
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251844 ] Di, 11 April 2006 16:20
PeterH  
It all started on Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:31:26 +0100, when Orjan Westin
wrote:

> Following on from the discusssions about condom carrying and knives at the
> Con, I thought I'd take a look in the rucksack I'm taking to work daily to
> see what I do carry around.
....
> Anything missing?

Underarm deodorant.

Spare key for post office box.

Play scripts.

A copy of a poem by Sarah Johnson (fast becoming SA's hottest new poetic
talent).

A very old piece of writing entitled "Was ist Schmerz".


Obviously not perfect for everyone, but I find it adequate protection
against the terrors of the outside world.


...PeterH
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251845 ] Di, 11 April 2006 16:16
Arthur Hagen  
Orjan Westin <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:
>
> So there you have it. Anything missing?

Also talcum powder and cotton. Few things can ruin a trip like blisters,
and tp&c doesn't weigh much or take up much space.

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251848 ] Di, 11 April 2006 16:38
Gift  
"Arthur Hagen" <art [at] broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:e1gdoo$u15$1 [at] tree.broomstick.com...

> Also talcum powder and cotton. Few things can ruin a trip like blisters,
> and tp&c doesn't weigh much or take up much space.
>
less messy (and smaller to pack) are those "instead of skin" bandages that
runners use (but why the hell did they make them blue? :-) )
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251849 ] Di, 11 April 2006 16:22
Orjan Westin  
Stacie Hanes wrote:
> Orjan Westin wrote:
>
>> Has anybody noticed how Leatherman owners resemble Mac/Linux
>> zealots?
>> A Leatherman is big and heavy, and not something I'd elect to lug
>> around.
>
> There are small versions.

With a cork screw? I just had a look at their web site, and the small
one (Micra) doesn't, and it has scissors instead of pliers which kind of
defeats the purpose of having folded pliers with extra tools.

I see they also have the "Juice", which does have a cork screw on some
versions, the lightest of which weighs 122g. Compared to my Victorinox
Waiter, it's big and heavy.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251850 ] Di, 11 April 2006 16:33
Orjan Westin  
Rgemini wrote:
> Orjan Westin wrote:
>
>> I am not a geek.
>>
>> Neither am I a snob.
>>
>> It's worth noting that those two terms are very often
>> interchangeable. I could do a huge rant on that too.
>
> There are such people, that's true. To me, 'snob' carries different
> overtones to 'geek' though.[1]

To me, a "snob" is a geek in food/drink/fashion/art. It's areas of
geekery that are traditionally seen as socially admirable. When FiX is
geeking wines he's a self-confessed snob, for instance.

> I did have my tongue in my cheek when suggesting the PDA for your
> emergency kit, although mine goes everywhere with me (except the
> bath). Nice slim little Palm Tungsten E with books, games, diary,
> address book, family history genealogy program, drawing pad,
> spreadsheet, photo albums, even music.

And how often do you recharge that?

Now, if you had suggested an old Palm or Psion that could run on
ordinary batteries you might have been on to something. Thing is,
though, that a notepad and pen will fare much better when dropped to the
floor or into a puddle.

> [1] To my dad and grandfathers, 'snob' meant 'shoe repairer' or
> 'cobbler'.

I didn't know that. When and where was this?

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251851 ] Di, 11 April 2006 16:45
Orjan Westin  
Arthur Hagen wrote:
> Orjan Westin <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:
>> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>>> Orjan Westin <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So there you have it. Anything missing?
>>>
>>> Emergency ATF products?
>>
>> ATF? Accident, trauma, fire or something?
>
> Alcohol, tobacco and firearms. At the very least, an emergency tin
> of Ettan can come in handy.

Urgh. Snus makes me ill. A waterproof pouch of tobacco with a pack of
papers could be useful, I imagine, but I can do without.

>>> Vaseline?
>>
>> The skin-lip balm I listed can replace vaseline in most
>> cinrumstances.
>
> As a lubricant too?

Yes.

>>> Prepaid SIM card?
>>
>> Great idea. Then I just have to mug someone who looks like he's got
>> an unlocked phone.
>>
>> Or I could use my own phone, which I carry in my pockets along with
>> my wallet, cigarettes and keys.
>
> The problem is that you may end up a place where your carrier doesn't
> have a roaming agreement (like the US). Prepaid cards tend to work
> even there.

Ah, I see. Fortunately, my carrier has a roaming agreement in most of
the world, and my phone is a tri-band one.

Things like that aren't really something I'd classify as generally
useful in your everyday life, though. Unless you regurlarly find
yourself waking up in a different country or some remote location
without knowing how you came there, you can usually tell in advance that
you are going to need them.

I don't lug a motorcycle helmet around either.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251852 ] Di, 11 April 2006 16:46
Kar98  
On 2006-04-11 08:19:28 -0500, "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> said:

> Has anybody noticed how Leatherman owners resemble Mac/Linux zealots?

No?

> It's not that uncommon that I find myself needing a knife, or bottle
> opener, or cork screw or tweezers, and the Victorinox fulfills all
> those needs with good quality at minimum weight.

Well, since you already got a couple of disposable lighter, you don't
need to drag a bottle opener around :) And wine bottles can be opened
by pushing the cork into the bottle :D

> Does a Leatherman have tweezers and cork screw?

Some models do.

> No, I didn't think so. A lot of them don't even have knife blades that
> can be used for wittling, coming instead with those impressivelooking
> serrated blades that are great for cutting heavy tarpaulins and little
> else.

Mine has a 3 inch fixable blade though. Seriously, it has all the tools
I ever need to work on computers, and the feature that makes them
superior to pocket knives is that said tools actually _lock_ into
position.

> IMNSHO, a Leatherman is the geek equivalent of a SUV. Big, powerful,
> expensive and extremely rarely used to it's nominal purpose.

Well, exuse me; I didn't know it was an ideology for some. I bought
mine because I saw it in the store and thought "wanna!"

> Just give me the slightest excuse and I'll give a full-blown rant on
> Leathermans, and people with belts hung full of "tools", like
> Leatherman, torch (why not have two - one with a LED and one with
> halogen bulb)

*snicker* I do have one of those. One with an ultra-bright halogen bulb
and a LED :) But merely as novelty item. For actual use I prefer my 4D
MagLite.

>> pre-paid cellphone and car charger for it (you never know in which
>> country you'll wake up, but car sockets are the same all over the
>> world)
>
> You know there are a fair few cars without (working) sockets, right?

Yeah, mine for instance. It's an old VW disease.

> And if you wake up in a country without compatible cellphone
> infrastructure, what do you do then? Since you're american, you
> probably have a CDMA phone, which won't do you much good in GSM-centric
> Europe.

Actually, I have a quad-band GSM phone, 1900/850 Mhz for US use, and
1800/900 Mhz for the rest of the world. And it's even got the SIM lock
removed :)

>> a sealed pack of clean underwear, 3 for $5 (we're talking
>> about an emergency kit here, right?)
>
> Um... This would be the emergency in which you've been run over and
> killed, so you need to put on clean underwear to avoid dying of shame?

No, this would be the kind of emergency in which you think, "hmmm,
guacamole-and-mystery-meat burger, that does sound like a good idea."

Damn, if I'd have known you'd go on a rant on my choice of things to
carry around in case of an emergency, I wouldn't have bothered to leave
out "small 9mm pistol, loaded, spare mag for same."
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251853 ] Di, 11 April 2006 16:47
Kar98  
On 2006-04-11 09:07:14 -0500, Rgemini
<royOMIT.ayresCAPITAL [at] dsl.LETTERSpipex.com> said:

> *Cordwainers* made shoes from new leather.

Thank you, I was looking for that word the other day.
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251855 ] Di, 11 April 2006 16:52
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
Also Sprach René:

> On 2006-04-11 09:07:14 -0500, Rgemini
> <royOMIT.ayresCAPITAL [at] dsl.LETTERSpipex.com> said:
>
>> *Cordwainers* made shoes from new leather.
>
> Thank you, I was looking for that word the other day.

ISTR that the last time this came up, I suggested the iron
boots worn by dwarfs were made by a cordwainer-smith. I would
like to assure everyone I won't be doing it this time.

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"Sometimes scientific progress requires personal sacrifice.
Personally, I sacrifice Beaker." -Dr Bunsen Honeydew
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251856 ] Di, 11 April 2006 16:56
Kar98  
On 2006-04-11 08:43:54 -0500, "Arthur Hagen" <art [at] broomstick.com> said:

> Bull. Leatherman had to drop their advertising about it being all US
> made, because it turned out it wasn't true. And Victorinox' warranty
> is /way/ better -- Leatherman won't cover rust damage, for example.
....
> It's hyped as a geek tool, but in this case, don't believe the hype.

That's OK, I bought mine years ago when I hadn't even heard of the
brand. Their first classic model too, which they don't make anymore.
It's not even listed under "Retired Tools". No rust on it, and still in
primo shape. Has all the tools one needs to work on computers...well,
except for an RJ11/45 crimping tool.
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251857 ] Di, 11 April 2006 17:02
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Arthur Hagen wrote:

> Also talcum powder and cotton. Few things can ruin a trip like blisters, and
> tp&c doesn't weigh much or take up much space.

A use for talcum powder I've never heard of. Blister treatment. The
use of talcum powder which I'm most familiar with is that of
encouraging ants to cease invading your kitchen. Its other main use is
for blowing things up. Well, according to Bugs Bunny, anyway.

Adrian.
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251858 ] Di, 11 April 2006 17:06
Kar98  
On 2006-04-11 10:32:28 -0500, "8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> said:

> Arthur Hagen wrote:
>
>> Also talcum powder and cotton. Few things can ruin a trip like
>> blisters, and tp&c doesn't weigh much or take up much space.
>
> A use for talcum powder I've never heard of. Blister treatment.

Blister _prevention_, actually. Also, if you have to don a gas mask
(what sort of emergency are we talking about here, anyway?), sprinkling
some talcum powder into it is recommended.
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251860 ] Di, 11 April 2006 17:12
Orjan Westin  
René wrote:
> On 2006-04-11 08:19:28 -0500, "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com>
> said:
>> Has anybody noticed how Leatherman owners resemble Mac/Linux zealots?
>
> No?

Well, as you might imagine, I have.

>> It's not that uncommon that I find myself needing a knife, or bottle
>> opener, or cork screw or tweezers, and the Victorinox fulfills all
>> those needs with good quality at minimum weight.
>
> Well, since you already got a couple of disposable lighter, you don't
> need to drag a bottle opener around :)

This is true, but it also serves as a can opener, so I'll keep it if
it's all right with you.

There have been a couple of occasions when I've been in places when this
has saved my ears (hungry child, no baby food available, but late-open
store has tins of cheesy macaronis).

> And wine bottles can be opened
> by pushing the cork into the bottle :D

No. Yes, all right, it's possible, but you have to loosen it first,
which means small flakes of cork in the wine.

>> Does a Leatherman have tweezers and cork screw?
>
> Some models do.
>
>> No, I didn't think so. A lot of them don't even have knife blades
>> that can be used for wittling, coming instead with those
>> impressivelooking serrated blades that are great for cutting heavy
>> tarpaulins and little else.
>
> Mine has a 3 inch fixable blade though. Seriously, it has all the
> tools I ever need to work on computers, and the feature that makes
> them superior to pocket knives is that said tools actually _lock_ into
> position.

That's a good point. When I need a large blade, I'll as likely as not
use the Victorinox Hunter I keep in the car, which has a 3.5" lockable
blade.

>> IMNSHO, a Leatherman is the geek equivalent of a SUV. Big, powerful,
>> expensive and extremely rarely used to it's nominal purpose.
>
> Well, exuse me; I didn't know it was an ideology for some.

Count yourself lucky. It's a longstanding peeve of mine.

>> Just give me the slightest excuse and I'll give a full-blown rant on
>> Leathermans, and people with belts hung full of "tools", like
>> Leatherman, torch (why not have two - one with a LED and one with
>> halogen bulb)
>
> *snicker* I do have one of those. One with an ultra-bright halogen
> bulb and a LED :) But merely as novelty item. For actual use I prefer
> my 4D MagLite.

I've got one of those, too. Got it for christmas many years ago. I'd
never consider hanging it from my belt, though. Not would I get the
pistol grip for it.

>>> a sealed pack of clean underwear, 3 for $5 (we're talking
>>> about an emergency kit here, right?)
>>
>> Um... This would be the emergency in which you've been run over and
>> killed, so you need to put on clean underwear to avoid dying of
>> shame?
>
> No, this would be the kind of emergency in which you think, "hmmm,
> guacamole-and-mystery-meat burger, that does sound like a good idea."

Ah, that would be about as likely as waking up in a foreign country
without knowing how I got there, for me.

> Damn, if I'd have known you'd go on a rant on my choice of things to
> carry around in case of an emergency, I wouldn't have bothered to
> leave out "small 9mm pistol, loaded, spare mag for same."

No, that's fine. If you had specified some hyped and geeky model I'd
have ranted on that, too, though.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251862 ] Di, 11 April 2006 17:13
Paul Harman  
"Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote in message
news:4a1id8Fqolk6U1 [at] individual.net...
> Anything missing?

A towel, man, a towel! Didn't you learn /anything/ from Hitchhiker's? <grin>

Paul
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251863 ] Di, 11 April 2006 17:18
Orjan Westin  
Paul Harman wrote:
> "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote in message
> news:4a1id8Fqolk6U1 [at] individual.net...
>> Anything missing?
>
> A towel, man, a towel! Didn't you learn /anything/ from Hitchhiker's?
> <grin>

I keep that wrapped around my head. The rest of the stuff I can do
without, but to lose the towel would be unponderable.

Orjan
--
The Tale of Westala and Villtin
http://tale.cunobaros.com/
Fiction, Thoughts and Software
http://www.cunobaros.com/
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251864 ] Di, 11 April 2006 17:35
sphira9343  
Orjan Westin wrote:

> Urgh. Snus makes me ill.

Am I right in remembering that's the stuff with very tiny powdered-up
non-dangerous bits of glass? (Supposedly to get the stuff into the
bloodstream more quickly).

(Something I heard on The Travel Show years ago, and might be
misinformation as far as I know...)
CCA
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251866 ] Di, 11 April 2006 17:46
Kar98  
On 2006-04-11 10:12:47 -0500, "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> said:

> René wrote:
>> On 2006-04-11 08:19:28 -0500, "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com>
>> said:
>>> Has anybody noticed how Leatherman owners resemble Mac/Linux zealots?
>>
>> No?
>
> Well, as you might imagine, I have.

Couldn't tell, really.

>>> It's not that uncommon that I find myself needing a knife, or bottle
>>> opener, or cork screw or tweezers, and the Victorinox fulfills all
>>> those needs with good quality at minimum weight.
>>
>> Well, since you already got a couple of disposable lighter, you don't
>> need to drag a bottle opener around :)
>
> This is true, but it also serves as a can opener, so I'll keep it if
> it's all right with you.

I thought you had a knife already? ;)

>> Mine has a 3 inch fixable blade though. Seriously, it has all the
>> tools I ever need to work on computers, and the feature that makes
>> them superior to pocket knives is that said tools actually _lock_ into
>> position.
>
> That's a good point. When I need a large blade, I'll as likely as not
> use the Victorinox Hunter I keep in the car, which has a 3.5" lockable
> blade.

Well, if I need a _serious_ blade, I'll use Mauser bayonet with the
ten inch blade :D

>>> IMNSHO, a Leatherman is the geek equivalent of a SUV. Big, powerful,
>>> expensive and extremely rarely used to it's nominal purpose.
>>
>> Well, exuse me; I didn't know it was an ideology for some.
>
> Count yourself lucky. It's a longstanding peeve of mine.

Sorry to hear that.

>> No, this would be the kind of emergency in which you think, "hmmm,
>> guacamole-and-mystery-meat burger, that does sound like a good idea."
>
> Ah, that would be about as likely as waking up in a foreign country
> without knowing how I got there, for me.

Boooooring :D

>
>> Damn, if I'd have known you'd go on a rant on my choice of things to
>> carry around in case of an emergency, I wouldn't have bothered to
>> leave out "small 9mm pistol, loaded, spare mag for same."
>
> No, that's fine. If you had specified some hyped and geeky model I'd
> have ranted on that, too, though.

Wellllll, Walther P38 for wicked old school coolness, Mauser C96 with
attached shoulderstock if you're going for the "WTF's that?" effect,
SIG SP2009 with built-in SureFire flashlight for the high-tech geek,
and an el cheapo Kel-Tec P11 in reality.
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251867 ] Di, 11 April 2006 17:47
Rgemini  
Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> Also Sprach René:
>
>> On 2006-04-11 09:07:14 -0500, Rgemini
>> <royOMIT.ayresCAPITAL [at] dsl.LETTERSpipex.com> said:
>>
>>> *Cordwainers* made shoes from new leather.
>> Thank you, I was looking for that word the other day.
>
> ISTR that the last time this came up, I suggested the iron
> boots worn by dwarfs were made by a cordwainer-smith. I would
> like to assure everyone I won't be doing it this time.
>
*Big* cheesy grin
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251868 ] Di, 11 April 2006 17:50
Gideon Hallett  
Orjan Westin wrote:

> René wrote:
>> On 2006-04-11 06:31:26 -0500, "Orjan Westin"
>> <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> said:
> <snip useful stuff in my rucksack>

<snip>

> Has anybody noticed how Leatherman owners resemble Mac/Linux
> zealots?

You're wrong, you're a grotesquely ugly freak, and I'm now going to
mock every aspect of your life until you see the light.

(Because nothing persuades people like gratuitous vilification.)

> A Leatherman is big and heavy, and not something I'd elect to lug
> around.

I find that size and heaviness to be extremely useful; I never go
anywhere without my Super Tool. I've taken it to weddings before
now - and needed it.

At other times, my Super Tool has had Cisco 7206s resting on it; or
been used to lever RaQs up so that they can be fixed to the rack
without drooping too badly.

> It's not that uncommon that I find myself needing a knife, or
> bottle opener, or cork screw or tweezers, and the Victorinox
> fulfills all those needs with good quality at minimum weight.
>
> Does a Leatherman have tweezers and cork screw?

No; but it's not that sort of tool.

(FWIW, the needlenose pliers will do a lot of tweezer-type jobs.)

For the record, I just don't need a corkscrew - beer bottles have
crown caps.

On the other hand, having a 9" ruler on me *is* useful in my
everyday life.

> No, I didn't
> think so. A lot of them don't even have knife blades that can be
> used for wittling, coming instead with those impressivelooking
> serrated blades that are great for cutting heavy tarpaulins and
> little else.

My Super Tool has two lockable blades; one straight, one serrated;
both of which have been invaluable.

Do any Victorinox products apart from the Swisstool have lockable
blades? - it makes a big difference to the safety and utility of a
knife, IMO.

> IMNSHO, a Leatherman is the geek equivalent of a SUV. Big,
> powerful, expensive and extremely rarely used to it's nominal
> purpose.
>
> Just give me the slightest excuse and I'll give a full-blown rant
> on Leathermans, and people with belts hung full of "tools", like
> Leatherman, torch (why not have two - one with a LED and one with
> halogen bulb) , mobile phone,

Got all of those on my belt ;)

They're no substitute for a full toolkit, but if you're elbow deep
in the back of a rack, then they can be enough to get the job done
well if/when something unexpected happens.

I don't have the pager, and I wasn't using the Leatherman socket set
enough for it to be critical, so I don't carry that on my belt any
more - if I need a Torx bit, I can usually open my rucksack and get
the set out.

cheers,

Gideon.

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Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251869 ] Di, 11 April 2006 17:53
Rgemini  
Orjan Westin wrote:
>> I did have my tongue in my cheek when suggesting the PDA for your
>> emergency kit, although mine goes everywhere with me (except the
>> bath). Nice slim little Palm Tungsten E with books, games, diary,
>> address book, family history genealogy program, drawing pad,
>> spreadsheet, photo albums, even music.
>
> And how often do you recharge that?

At nighttime.

>
> Now, if you had suggested an old Palm or Psion that could run on
> ordinary batteries you might have been on to something. Thing is,
> though, that a notepad and pen will fare much better when dropped to the
> floor or into a puddle.
>

It's smaller and lighter than one using ordinary batteries *and* I know
how to open it up and replace the battery when it wears out!

>> [1] To my dad and grandfathers, 'snob' meant 'shoe repairer' or
>> 'cobbler'.
>
> I didn't know that. When and where was this?

I heard them using it in the 1950s and 1960s and dad continued to use it
throughout his life. He was born in 1909 and died in 1993. I don't know
how local the term was, but dad was a cockney, born in 'ackney. His dad
was born in Islington and my other grandad was born in Charlton. All
Londoners and for most of their lives, SE Londoners.

Rgemini
Re: [I] Emergency kit [message #251870 ] Di, 11 April 2006 17:49
Arthur Hagen  
CCA <sphira9343 [at] aol.com> wrote:
> Orjan Westin wrote:
>
>> Urgh. Snus makes me ill.
>
> Am I right in remembering that's the stuff with very tiny powdered-up
> non-dangerous bits of glass? (Supposedly to get the stuff into the
> bloodstream more quickly).
>
> (Something I heard on The Travel Show years ago, and might be
> misinformation as far as I know...)

As far as I know, that's an urban legend. Powdered-up non-dangerous bitsof
glass is called "sand". Salt and ethanol is what assists the nicotine in
entering the blood stream.

American snuff is a different matter -- completely different animal, and may
very well contain fiber glass, modified corn starch, bat droppings, guar
gum, cyanoacrylat, red 40 and partially hydrogenated (i.e. stale) rapeseed
oil.

Regards,
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